I have since been in touch today with Joy ( Joyonthego ), one of the current owners of the poster. Joy informed me that the poster came with the theatre purchase, but doesn't know anything else regarding it's history. The original owner I was informed is now residing in Zimbabwe, so is unable to be contacted.
She did though have a look at the poster during our conversation and informed me it appears to have been laminated before being placed in the poster frame. I was also informed the size of the poster appears to be appoximately around 5' x 3' in size. This would make the width correct for a one sheet , but a couple of feet short in the height, thus confirming to me that a section at the bottom of the poster had been removed. I believe that originally under the word WITH there would have been at least the co-stars names Raymond Massey ( a big star ) and Romney Brent, the distributor's name United Artists, as well most likely a directed and produced by credit for Paul Czinnsr.
Following below is a trade advertisement placed in Sydney in 1937.
Yes, Definitely trimmed, could it have been a three sheet?
Considering the size differences between a one and a three sheet, and poster size given to me, along the appearance of the poster, I would have to think it was originally a one sheet.
The Magnificent Seven ( 1960 ) poster that I don't remember previously sighting. The poster isn't credited as being an Australian one sheet though. Thoughts?
I am interested if anybody has any images of Australian daybills, most likely from the period 1929 -1941, that have the Holland's Talkies name printed on the top of the poster, as it appears following below?
If anyone has any examples, I would appreciate images of them being posted here on this thread.
Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
It looks similar to Canadian one-sheets, so that is another possibility.
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Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
It looks similar to Canadian one-sheets, so that is another possibility.
Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
I would guess a UK poster used in NZ.
Thank you Bruce, Rick and John for your thoughts, along with some other people that I have had some private communications with.
Interesting that the origins of where this poster is from are so different. Australia, New Zealand, U.K. and Canada have all been suggested.
I am following up on something that I believe will solve the question asked, but I may not hear back regarding this for a few days or so.
To Rick, yes the poster is Australian. I was curious if the image was taken from a one sheet and this poster was being offered for sale in this original size, or was is it reproduced in a smaller version?
I contacted Wil ( The Film Poster Gallery) in New Zealand for his opinion on the poster in question. I obtained his blessing to transcribe his reply which immediately follows below.
Wil does though wish to it make clear that his opinion isn't 100% decided on the origin being N.Z, or U.K. He just refers to the poster as being of Kiwi origin.
Hi Lawrence.
I've always believed it to be of NZ Origin. The UK Quad for this film doesn't make use florescent print and is of greater quantity (see attached).
The NZ (assuming) poster for Asterix uses similar print and is the same size.
New Zealand distributed Asterix And Cleopatra poster.
I am still following up with another source regarding the poster being queried, which hopefully will throw some positive light on helping solve this puzzle, so still more to follow soon.
This poster distributor credit on our poster in question doesn't help.The Newvision credit is that of the Australian film distributor. The real mystery here though is the ''through Cinevista'' credit. Who is Cinevista and where are they from?
So far the films various countries distributors consists of.
Australia - NewVision
United Kingdom - Artificial Eye
U.S.A. - Orion
Special mention regarding New Zealand, The New Zealand Federation Of Film Societies was the films applicant who submitted the film for N.Z. censorship there. The current film classification office said that is all the information that they hold on it's submitter. They don’t have any more specific information than that, such as whether the Federation was the importer or distributoer.
Still following up on a few things so there may be more information to follow in the future.
There will definitely be another interesting poster image to be seen here soon.
I think this would have been the Australian release one sheet, probably somewhere like the Longford Cinema. This poster measure 16" x 27". I worked on this film screening rushes in my early days as an assistant editor. Note that Norman Kaye's name is spelt incorrectly.
Excellent, This is the image of the Australian poster that I was intending to display here shortly. An Australian one sheet, daybill ,special poster or whatever you care to call it. This is maybe the only poster produced for the Australian film release, which had very minimal. exposure here.
Box office: it was poorly reviewed and badly received in Australia and did limited business - it was released in only one cinema in Sydney, the Roma, a small arthouse. European 'adult' cinema in George street, and thereafter straggled around the arthouse circuit. ( Oz movies ), The Roma theatre in 1971 is listed as only having a seating capacity of 394.
Well spotted Peter. Of course Norman Kaye's name has an e in it.
An interesting bit of trivia about the film is that Werner Herzog had a cameo in Paul Cox's Man of Flowers - the flashback scenes shot on Super 8, while he was in Australia to shoot Green Ants (I also have a small embarrassing cameo - Paul used to like putting crew members in his films)
An interesting bit of trivia about the film is that Werner Herzog had a cameo in Paul Cox's Man of Flowers - the flashback scenes shot on Super 8, while he was in Australia to shoot Green Ants (I also have a small embarrassing cameo - Paul used to like putting crew members in his films)
Surely this must have been an interesting experience for you to have be in front of the cameras. I clearly remember the first time I appeared on stage performing in a play. I was involved off stage at that time, and was asked to fill a role that the director was having problems casting. I hadn't ever acted on stage previously, and only was involved back stage at this time due to my wife being an actress involved with the theatrical group. I can say that I was certainly apprehensive about doing it.
Did you get your appearance on film completed with the first take?
There were multiple takes of the scene I was in, I still have the rushes from that scene on 35mm which I plan to get transferred one day. I think I was better on the first take but they insisted on using the take Norman Kaye was better in.
O.k. then an update on my research on the origins of the following Where The Green Ants Dream poster.
Through contact with Michael McDonnell, the head of programming for The New Zealand Film Festival Trust I have received some great information on the history of the film in New Zealand.
The following is the information received from Michael and is fine with me sharing it here with you.
''The Federation ran the Wellington Film Festival back in 1985 and WHERE THE GREEN ANTS DREAM screened there then so I imagine it was submitted for classification for the festival screening.
So far as I’m aware the festival didn’t produce its own posters back in those days so it would’ve come from the distributor which would look to be Cinevista acting on behalf of NewVision.
Cinevista was NZ distro run by Richard Weatherly, it’s been well over a decade since the festival has had any dealings with him so I’m not sure if he’s still around. The contact details we have for him are out of date, the address and phone number of the now closed cinema he used to run in Mangonui, but no email address unfortunately.
They mostly distributed classic Hollywood re-releases in the 00s, I think they did NZ releases of titles for Chapel Distribution which is now Potential.
So far as I’m aware they mostly handled NZ distribution for various smaller Australian distributors.''
The above information would certainly confirm that this poster was distributed in New Zealand, One would also have to think it was printed there as well. The quality of the artwork is certainly of a much higher quality than we have been used to seeing on produced in N.Z. posters.
With a lot of searching myself, and also asking various people in New Zealand for any other CineVista poster examples for any other films, to be used for poster comparison purposes, nothing had come to light
I am interested if anybody has any images of Australian daybills, most likely from the period 1929 -1941, that have the Holland's Talkies name printed on the top of the poster, as it appears following below?
If anyone has any examples, I would appreciate images of them being posted here on this thread.
Just in case there that there may have been some people that originally missed seeing the above request, I have decided to include it here once more.
It would appear an additional Australian daybill was printed for Holland's Talkies, which included their name and in some cases included additional programming details as well.
I will include two Simmons printed daybill examples here in the future.
I don't believe that it is a stock poster, although I can see why you would think so.
My reasoning is that this was the first time that Shirley Temple's name appeared above the film's title, and this was her breakout role. Bright Eyes was released in Australia 23/2/1935 by Fox. Later in 1935 Fox merged with 20th Century Pictures to form 20th Century Fox
Seeing the Bright Eyes daybill has a Fox credit printed on it I would rule it out it being a stock poster.. Any long daybill Shirley Temple stock posters, if any, would have been distributed by 20th Century Fox post 1935 as her fame and volume of product increased..
The Bright Eyes daybill poster is an extremely interesting one, so any more comments regarding it would be most appreciated.
I don't believe that it is a stock poster, although I can see why you would think so.
My reasoning is that this was the first time that Shirley Temple's name appeared above the film's title, and this was her breakout role. Bright Eyes was released in Australia 23/2/1935 by Fox. Later in 1935 Fox merged with 20th Century Pictures to form 20th Century Fox
Seeing the Bright Eyes daybill has a Fox credit printed on it I would rule it out it being a stock poster.. Any long daybill Shirley Temple stock posters, if any, would have been distributed by 20th Century Fox post 1935 as her fame and volume of product increased..
The Bright Eyes daybill poster is an extremely interesting one, so any more comments regarding it would be most appreciated.
I rarely disagree with experts, but I don't see ANY way it is NOT a stock poster, It says "Shirley Temple in" in one printed font, and the image of her is extremely generic, and would work for any of her movies. And the "Bright Eyes" and "Smoky" were clearly overprinted later, and at the same time.
I understand the Fox/20th Century Fox part being confusing, but I simply think they used an old template to save money.
Of course, I could be wrong!
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Thanks Bruce for your thoughts. Before I reply to your comments though, I would be happy to hear from any other members regarding what they think about this subject.
Anyone else's comments would be most appreciated as well.
I will say that I am no expert in the printing process, but I will comment soon with my thoughts, and some facts, as to why this poster isn't a stock poster.
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My query with this poster is that at the bottom the word WITH appears with nothing else printed below this word.
She did though have a look at the poster during our conversation and informed me it appears to have been laminated before being placed in the poster frame. I was also informed the size of the poster appears to be appoximately around 5' x 3' in size. This would make the width correct for a one sheet , but a couple of feet short in the height, thus confirming to me that a section at the bottom of the poster had been removed. I believe that originally under the word WITH there would have been at least the co-stars names Raymond Massey ( a big star ) and Romney Brent, the distributor's name United Artists, as well most likely a directed and produced by credit for Paul Czinnsr.
Following below is a trade advertisement placed in Sydney in 1937.
Peter
The Magnificent Seven ( 1960 ) poster that I don't remember previously sighting. The poster isn't credited as being an Australian one sheet though. Thoughts?
If anyone has any examples, I would appreciate images of them being posted here on this thread.
Where The Green Ants Dream (1984 ) film poster. Did this poster originate from Australia, New Zealand or from the U.K.? I am thinking that the U.K. is the answer, but used in New Zealand, due to the the rating. Anyone like to comment?
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Interesting that the origins of where this poster is from are so different. Australia, New Zealand, U.K. and Canada have all been suggested.
I am following up on something that I believe will solve the question asked, but I may not hear back regarding this for a few days or so.
To Rick, yes the poster is Australian. I was curious if the image was taken from a one sheet and this poster was being offered for sale in this original size, or was is it reproduced in a smaller version?
I contacted Wil ( The Film Poster Gallery) in New Zealand for his opinion on the poster in question. I obtained his blessing to transcribe his reply which immediately follows below.
Wil does though wish to it make clear that his opinion isn't 100% decided on the origin being N.Z, or U.K. He just refers to the poster as being of Kiwi origin.
Hi Lawrence.
Director
The Film Poster Gallery
Mob 021 152 5521
www.filmpostergallery.co.nz
Where The Green Ants Dream U.K. quad.
New Zealand distributed Asterix And Cleopatra poster.
I am still following up with another source regarding the poster being queried, which hopefully will throw some positive light on helping solve this puzzle, so still more to follow soon.
This poster distributor credit on our poster in question doesn't help.The Newvision credit is that of the Australian film distributor. The real mystery here though is the ''through Cinevista'' credit. Who is Cinevista and where are they from?
So far the films various countries distributors consists of.
Australia - NewVision
United Kingdom - Artificial Eye
U.S.A. - Orion
Special mention regarding New Zealand, The New Zealand Federation Of Film Societies was the films applicant who submitted the film for N.Z. censorship there. The current film classification office said that is all the information that they hold on it's submitter. They don’t have any more specific information than that, such as whether the Federation was the importer or distributoer.
Still following up on a few things so there may be more information to follow in the future.
There will definitely be another interesting poster image to be seen here soon.
Peter
Box office: it was poorly reviewed and badly received in Australia and did limited business - it was released in only one cinema in Sydney, the Roma, a small arthouse. European 'adult' cinema in George street, and thereafter straggled around the arthouse circuit. ( Oz movies ), The Roma theatre in 1971 is listed as only having a seating capacity of 394.
Well spotted Peter. Of course Norman Kaye's name has an e in it.
Peter
Surely this must have been an interesting experience for you to have be in front of the cameras. I clearly remember the first time I appeared on stage performing in a play. I was involved off stage at that time, and was asked to fill a role that the director was having problems casting. I hadn't ever acted on stage previously, and only was involved back stage at this time due to my wife being an actress involved with the theatrical group. I can say that I was certainly apprehensive about doing it.
Did you get your appearance on film completed with the first take?
Peter
Where The Green Ants Dream media image, appearing to be newspaper advertising, which is similar to the poster artwork
Through contact with Michael McDonnell, the head of programming for The New Zealand Film Festival Trust I have received some great information on the history of the film in New Zealand.
The following is the information received from Michael and is fine with me sharing it here with you.
''The Federation ran the Wellington Film Festival back in 1985 and WHERE THE GREEN ANTS DREAM screened there then so I imagine it was submitted for classification for the festival screening.
So far as I’m aware the festival didn’t produce its own posters back in those days so it would’ve come from the distributor which would look to be Cinevista acting on behalf of NewVision.
Cinevista was NZ distro run by Richard Weatherly, it’s been well over a decade since the festival has had any dealings with him so I’m not sure if he’s still around. The contact details we have for him are out of date, the address and phone number of the now closed cinema he used to run in Mangonui, but no email address unfortunately.
They mostly distributed classic Hollywood re-releases in the 00s, I think they did NZ releases of titles for Chapel Distribution which is now Potential.
So far as I’m aware they mostly handled NZ distribution for various smaller Australian distributors.''
The above information would certainly confirm that this poster was distributed in New Zealand, One would also have to think it was printed there as well. The quality of the artwork is certainly of a much higher quality than we have been used to seeing on produced in N.Z. posters.
With a lot of searching myself, and also asking various people in New Zealand for any other CineVista poster examples for any other films, to be used for poster comparison purposes, nothing had come to light
It would appear an additional Australian daybill was printed for Holland's Talkies, which included their name and in some cases included additional programming details as well.
I will include two Simmons printed daybill examples here in the future.
Bright Eyes ( 1934 ) & Smoky ( 1933 ) double bill and Tarzan And His Mate ( 1934 ) daybills.
Before I talk about these two posters I would like to hear any comments regarding them that you may like to offer.
Peter
My reasoning is that this was the first time that Shirley Temple's name appeared above the film's title, and this was her breakout role. Bright Eyes was released in Australia 23/2/1935 by Fox. Later in 1935 Fox merged with 20th Century Pictures to form 20th Century Fox
Seeing the Bright Eyes daybill has a Fox credit printed on it I would rule it out it being a stock poster.. Any long daybill Shirley Temple stock posters, if any, would have been distributed by 20th Century Fox post 1935 as her fame and volume of product increased..
The Bright Eyes daybill poster is an extremely interesting one, so any more comments regarding it would be most appreciated.
I understand the Fox/20th Century Fox part being confusing, but I simply think they used an old template to save money.
Of course, I could be wrong!
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Peter
Anyone else's comments would be most appreciated as well.
I will say that I am no expert in the printing process, but I will comment soon with my thoughts, and some facts, as to why this poster isn't a stock poster.