A Hard Days Night / 2001 A Space Odyssey/ Julius Caesar

mcqueen

Hi all, hoping the experts out there can provide me with some accurate release dating on the Australian One Sheets of these titles pictured. Thanks in advance for any input recieved.

HONDO

 My thoughts regarding the release periods of the three posters.

2001; A Space Odyssey is most likely a first release poster.

A Hard Day's Night could be a 1960's second printing, or even for an official re-release if one occurred. I don't believe it was printed for the film's first release but have no proof of this.

Julius Caesar is a 1960's re-release poster.

It would be great to hear what others think.

mcqueen

Thanks Hondo for your input, always helpful but as you say, would love to hear more from others if they have the time particularly on the Beatles poster? 

darolo

Julius Caesar looks original to me. It was released again in the 60's with the MGM lion logo common to that period.

HONDO

darolo said:

Julius Caesar looks original to me. It was released again in the 60's with the MGM lion logo common to that period.

I have revised my opinion that the Julius Caesar one sheet is a 1960's re-release poster, and as Darolo said I do agree now that it is an original 1950's poster.

My thinking had been based on the following, The word masterpiece printer's credit which isn't normally applied on a first release poster, the absence of a printer's credit which was often the case on a re-release poster, the black and white section, and finally the original Australian daybill's tagline being shown as All Hail. 

The reason for my change of thinking is as follows. I have viewed again the copy in question and found that the one sheet has the correct logo application of An MGM Picture printed on it. This style of credit is from that period of time. The absence of a printer's credit was on checking out with my vast MGM one sheet images folder, was found that sometimes often this was the case during the early 1950's. Finally the image of the raised sword from the original artwork ties in.

Along with the original sighted single copy Australian daybill this one sheet is extremely rare.

mcqueen

Thanks to darolo and Hondo for their comments on the posters. Although the Hard Day's night is still not a certain only a 'could be' courtesy of Hondo. Anyone out there able to confirm its release?

HONDO

As the A Hard Day's Night Australian one sheet poster appears to be the only sighted copy of this poster, I am really curious to know if anyone believes it to be an original one sheet poster printed for the 1964 release or not?

Rick

my guess with Hard Day's Night is original

John

There are a number of second printings for Elvis films that look very similar in the format and lesser artwork to the one Ben has. The lack of printer's details is also a pointer that it might be a slightly later printing. My guess is that Hard Days Night is a second or later printing but hard to know for sure without seeing an original. 

HONDO

Rick said:

my guess with Hard Day's Night is original

It possibly could be, but there certainly is no definite proof to support this.

John said:

There are a number of second printings for Elvis films that look very similar in the format and lesser artwork to the one Ben has. The lack of printer's details is also a pointer that it might be a slightly later printing. My guess is that At Hard Days Night is a second or later printing but hard to know for sure without seeing an original. 

Your thinking John agrees exactly with my earlier expressed thoughts regarding the film's origins. The Parlophone plug that appears on the Robert Butron daybill, along with the usual Released Thru words that would normally have  proceeded the United Artists wording In their logo are absent from the poster. 

These two points along with the absence of a printer's credit and the applied lesser artwork has to throw doubt in my mind of any thinking that the one sheet in question was printed for the original Australian first release. 

 

Is there another different designed one sheet out there somewhere?

mcqueen

John said:

There are a number of second printings for Elvis films that look very similar in the format and lesser artwork to the one Ben has. The lack of printer's details is also a pointer that it might be a slightly later printing. My guess is that Hard Days Night is a second or later printing but hard to know for sure without seeing an original. 

mcqueen

Thanks for your analysis. I tend to agree and it would be fair to say that it could be a second printing. Still to see an original first release one sheet which I never have would be great as others are saying. 

mcqueen

Thanks to everyone who contributed to my post, it was much appreciated. 

Duke

Some restorations recently completed.

HONDO

Is it just me, as I am missing the 2001: A Space Oryssey images.

theartofmovieposters

The 2001 one sheet is showing for me right at the top of the thread?

HONDO

theartofmovieposters said:

The 2001 one sheet is showing for me right at the top of the thread?

Yes I do see that image.

HONDO

The 2001: A Space Odyssey one sheet version at the top of the page was submitted by McQueen is different member. This version is also Australian, whereas Duke's missing version is most likely to from the U.S.A., as his other two poster versions are.

Sean_MPA

Hey all, the three posters discussed above (2001 AU 1Sh, Julius Caesar AU 1Sh and A Hard Day’s Night AU 1Sh) seem to have made it into a collection I recently acquired.
Researching the Julius Caesar 1Sh, a ‘53 AU 3Sh was sold on HA and shows the same design and colour pallette. As opposed to the 60’s re-release image a bit further down (acknowledging HA for use of their images for research and comparison purposes).
So, I also agree with Hondo and darolo that this looks like a first release based on all info available at this time.

HONDO

There were, it certainly would appear to have taken place three different official releases of Julius Caesar (1953) in Australia.

 
An Australian daybill that was printed for The Sydney NSW first release May 8, 1953 by W.E.Smith. Also pictured above is an original black and white Australian lobby card with ALL HAIL also printed on it.


 
 from 1961.

An Australian daybill and one sheet that were printed for an early 1960's re-release. These two posters have MGM's Star-Studded  Masterpiece printed on them, along with no printer's credit. Screened in cinemas at least between 1960 and 1962. I have previously thought that this poster had been first release , but have now altered my opinion on the evidence available..



 

A daybill and one sheet printed for the second Australian re-release of the film sometime from between1969 and 1971.